The Judicial Branch Is Not Responsible
Those attacks will be 'on you'.
(See list of Muslim-majority countries below
--- about 50.)
(2017 Feb blog post)
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When some judges (esp. in Washington state) put an injunction on Trump's executive order 'ban' of Muslims from 7 (seven) Muslim-majority nations, Trump tweeted that judges (and the court system) would be responsible if there were ANY attacks in the U.S. by Muslims in the U.S.
Trump tweeted this in spite of the fact that he did not include many of the Muslim nations that could be considered the most dangerous ---
for example, Saudi Arabia, from which almost all of the 9/11 attackers came --- and Indonesia and Pakistan and Nigeria, three of the most populous Muslim-majority countries on the planet --- and Bangladesh and Mali and Nigeria, three countries in which Muslims have been perpetrating horrible violence on non-Muslims. Need I mention Turkey and Egypt and Algeria and Sudan --- other very Muslim-populous countries. And many (about 30) others. (See below.)
Trump's exact tweet was:
Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad! - Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 5, 2017
Here is a list of the seven countries that Trump proposed to temporarily ban --- and he plans to eventually 'vet them extremely'.
In contrast, here is a list of the Muslim-majority countries --- in order by percent of the population that is Muslim (those with percent higher than 50) --- and with total Muslim population shown:
Muslim-majority Percent Muslim Country Muslim Population ---------------------- ---------- ------------- Mauritania 100% 4.1 million Maldives 100% 309,000 Afghanistan 99.8% 29.0 million Tunisia 99.8% 11.1 million Iran 99.7% 74.8 million Western Sahara 99.6% 528,000 Morocco 99% 32.3 million Yemen 99.0% 24.0 million Tajikistan 99.0% 7.0 million Somalia 98.9% 9.2 million Iraq 98.9% 31.1 million Mayotte 98.8% 197,000 Turkey 98.6% 74.6 million Azerbaijan 98.4% 8.7 million Niger 98.3% 19.5 million Comoros 98.3% 785,000 Algeria 98.2%-plus 40.4 million Palestinian Territories 97.5% 4.3 million Saudi Arabia 97.1% 25.4 million Sudan 97.0% 39.0 million Djibouti 97% 853,000 Libya 96.6% 6.3 million Uzbekistan 96.5% 26.8 million Pakistan 96.4% 178.0 million Senegal 95.9% 14.5 million Kosovo 95.6% 1.5 million Gambia 95.3% 1.6 million Mali 95% 15.6 million Jordan 93.8% 6.3 million Turkmenistan 93.3% 4.8 million Syria 90% 20.8 million Egypt 90% 73.8 million Kyrghystan 88.8% 4.9 million Oman 87.7% 2.5 million Indonesia 87.2% 204.8 million Bangladesh 86.3% 8.8 million Guinea 84.2% 8.6 million Qatar 77.5% 1.1 million United Arab Emirates 76.0% 3.5 million Kuwait 74.1% 2.6 million Sierra Leone 71.5% 4.1 million Kazakhstan 70.2% 8.8 million Bahrain 70.2% 866,000 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 80% less than 1,000 Brunei 67% 295,000 Malaysia 61.4% 17.1 million Burkina Faso 60.5% 11.2 million Lebanon 59.7% 2.5 million Albania 58.8% 1.8 million Chad 58% 7.8 million Bosnia-Herzegovina 50.7% 1.7 million Guinea Bissau 50% 705,000 Nigeria ~50% 93.8 million
If anyone wants to concentrate on the most Muslim-numerous countries rather than those with the highest Muslim-percentage, here is a sort of the above table by Muslim population:
Muslim-majority Percent Muslim Country Muslim Population ---------------------- ---------- ------------- Indonesia 87.2% 204.8 million Pakistan 96.4% 178.0 million Nigeria ~50% 93.8 million *Iran 99.7% 74.8 million Turkey 98.6% 74.6 million Egypt 90% 73.8 million Algeria 98.2%-plus 40.4 million *Sudan 97.0% 39.0 million Morocco 99% 32.3 million *Iraq 98.9% 31.1 million Afghanistan 99.8% 29.0 million Uzbekistan 96.5% 26.8 million Saudi Arabia 97.1% 25.4 million *Yemen 99.0% 24.0 million *Syria 90% 20.8 million Niger 98.3% 19.5 million Malaysia 61.4% 17.1 million Mali 95% 15.6 million Senegal 95.9% 14.5 million Burkina Faso 60.5% 11.2 million Tunisia 99.8% 11.1 million *Somalia 98.9% 9.2 million Bangladesh 86.3% 8.8 million Kazakhstan 70.2% 8.8 million Azerbaijan 98.4% 8.7 million Guinea 84.2% 8.6 million Chad 58% 7.8 million Tajikistan 99.0% 7.0 million *Libya 96.6% 6.3 million Jordan 93.8% 6.3 million Kyrghystan 88.8% 4.9 million Turkmenistan 93.3% 4.8 million Palestinian Territories 97.5% 4.3 million Mauritania 100% 4.1 million Sierra Leone 71.5% 4.1 million United Arab Emirates 76.0% 3.5 million Kuwait 74.1% 2.6 million Oman 87.7% 2.5 million Lebanon 59.7% 2.5 million Albania 58.8% 1.8 million Bosnia-Herzegovina 50.7% 1.7 million Gambia 95.3% 1.6 million Kosovo 95.6% 1.5 million Qatar 77.5% 1.1 million Bahrain 70.2% 866,000 Djibouti 97% 853,000 Comoros 98.3% 785,000 Guinea Bissau 50% 705,000 Western Sahara 99.6% 528,000 Maldives 100% 309,000 Brunei 67% 295,000 Mayotte 98.8% 197,000 Cocos (Keeling) Islands 80% less than 1,000
I have marked the 7-countries with an asterisk. Their total population adds up to less than that of Indonesia --- their total is about the same as the population of Pakistan.
Note that neither Indonesia nor Pakistan is on the 'list of seven'.
If you want a table sorted in some other way (for example by Muslim percent of world population or Muslim percent of world Muslim population), I will leave that to someone else to compile. I think these two tables should do for most considerations of the 'U.S. more-thorough vetting' matter.
Note that a quick glance over these tables indicates that Trump's 'list of seven' is dreadfully inadequate to properly protect the country.
That 'list of seven' leaves a hole (figuratively) big enough to drive an explosives-laden truck through.
Trump and his crew are proudly proclaiming that he is doing what he promised --- banning and extreme vetting of Muslims. BUT it is all 'political posturing'. There are too many exceptions to his rules. The United States would be on the order of ten percent safer (or less) with the 7-country ban. (Compare 'the seven' to the total of 1.7 billion Muslims on Earth.)
Most of the people who voted for Trump will probably fall for his claims. But anyone who looks at these lists --- compared to his 'list of seven' --- can see that his boasts are empty.
Trump is perpetrating a 'political scam' --- like the one in which he promised West Virginians that he will restore their coal mining jobs. (More on that 'scam' in another blog post.)
More on the Muslim countries missing from Trump's ban:
A 29 Jan 2017 article at FoxNews.com points out that
"White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Sunday defended President Trump's order to temporarily ban immigration from seven mostly-Muslim nations -- and deflected criticism over countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan not being included in the ban."
"In the wide-ranging interview 10 days into the Trump administration, Conway also attempted to explain why such countries as Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were not included in the ban."
Her explanation (again quoting the FoxNews article):
"She said Trump is privy to intelligence reports that critics and others have not seen and suggested the list could change."
Those must be some really poor intelligence reports.
Note that some of the Muslim countries, that have been 'given a pass' in Trump's executive orders, have been guilty lately of some atrocious acts of violence against non-Muslims.
Kellyanne Conway does a lot of the fancy dancing around the issues that Trump raises --- and you can bet that her answers to the above 'why not on the list' questions would just result in more fancy verbal-dancing around.
Trump's business connections in Muslim countries
It has been pretty public knowledge that Trump has business connections in quite a few Muslim countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia) --- countries that he has left off of his 'list of 'seven'.
I will simply provide some web searches. You can find cases of the connections yourself.
One example business connection is that a Malaysian businessman is a partner with Trump in a hotel in Vancouver, Canada, that was opening in Feb 2017. According to a 2017 Feb 15 story in the Financial Times (www.ft.com) :
Joo Kim Tiah, the son of one of Malaysia's wealthiest tycoons, sat on stage in the summer of 2013 as his new business partner [Trump] announced their plans for a C$360m luxury condominium-hotel project on Vancouver's most prestigious downtown thoroughfare.
If Trump is going to let business deals put huge 'holes' in his 'extreme vetting', then HE is endangering the country --- NOT the court system of the U.S.
I guess it looks like I am 'urging Trump on' --- to do 'extreme vetting' of even more people.
No ... I am not ... although I AM concerned about people who do not believe in the 'Freedom of Religion' section of the U.S. Constitution. I do not believe people who want a theocracy (Muslim or otherwise) should be allowed to be citizens (or residents) of this country. They could not possibly be expected to 'swear to uphold the Constitution'.
I am for 'reasonable vetting' --- and 'improved vetting' if needed. However, I have multiple concerns including:
When you look at the list of about 50 Muslim-majority countries above, one comes to the realization that trying to do 'very thorough vetting' of ALL travelers into the U.S. from those countries is going to be a very expensive process. A lot of extra manpower and facilities will be required.
And there are still more countries --- Muslim-minority countries --- with significant Muslim populations, from which terrorists could come.
And yet Trump is calling for draconian tax cuts. And a build-up of the military. And making more nuclear weapons. Are we going to have another 'go to war while cutting taxes' scenario --- like in the Bush years?
Is that combination really going to make America stronger and greater, in the long run? --- or even in the short run?
Sad to say, there needs to be a cost-benefit analysis of any new 'improved vetting' process. Compromises must be made. I don't think Trump has the patience for that.
When you consider the Obama years (2008 - 2016), in which there were relatively few Muslim attacks within the U.S., and when you consider all the Muslim countries and all the travelers of various kinds coming from those countries, it seems that the various U.S. departments and agencies (Homeland Security, Immigration, local police, etc.) have done a surprisingly good job.
It seems that Trump's disruptive implementation(s) of his 'Muslim ban' executive order(s) is going too much in the direction of 'assume everyone is guilty until they are proven innocent' --- and treat them like they are guilty --- 'from the git go'.
Trump is treating thousands of travelers like crap in order to find a few bad apples. There has to be a better way --- a more respectful way --- a way that is, at the same time, an effective way.
There needs to be a careful implementation of 'improved vetting' --- of travelers and potential immigrants.
There probably can be some improvements in vetting of travelers from Muslim countries --- better techniques, better procedures, more consistent application of procedures.
HOWEVER, those improvements should be done with careful consideration and careful planning. There was no sign of that in Trump's first months in office.
Another of my concerns is that there are likely to be many instances of 'unnecessary roughness' --- and even brutality --- directed toward some of the detained travelers --- because, just as there police departments throughout the U.S. that are populated with police that should not be police, there are people in the immigration and homeland security ranks who should not be in positions that require considerable self-control and civilized responses in some tough situations.
There needs to be
in assembling the people who will be implementing an 'improved vetting' process.
And there needs to be a clear message to those people who are 'processing' travelers and immigrants --- that abuses of non-violent travelers is not to be tolerated.
People (federal government workers or other workers) who abuse (bully) travelers for no good reason should be terminated quickly.
Failure to do so can lead to a scary police state in which no one is safe.
In a few words:
Trump ... 'vet' ALL (Muslim) travelers, from ALL countries, equally. There should be NO exceptions for countries in which you have potential business projects.
Does this pilot sound like a mature adult? Or a petulant baby?
Can this man be trusted to (almost unilaterally) devise a new immigrant policy?
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