Trump:

The Judicial Branch Is Not Responsible

for Attacks perpetrated by Muslims from

Countries not on your 'List of Seven'.

Those attacks will be 'on you'.


(There are a LOT more than 7 Muslim countries.)

(Ones where Trump has business dealings are missing.)


(See list of Muslim-majority countries below
--- about 50.)

(2017 Feb blog post)

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Introduction :

When some judges (esp. in Washington state) put an injunction on Trump's executive order 'ban' of Muslims from 7 (seven) Muslim-majority nations, Trump tweeted that judges (and the court system) would be responsible if there were ANY attacks in the U.S. by Muslims in the U.S.

Trump tweeted this in spite of the fact that he did not include many of the Muslim nations that could be considered the most dangerous ---

for example, Saudi Arabia, from which almost all of the 9/11 attackers came --- and Indonesia and Pakistan and Nigeria, three of the most populous Muslim-majority countries on the planet --- and Bangladesh and Mali and Nigeria, three countries in which Muslims have been perpetrating horrible violence on non-Muslims. Need I mention Turkey and Egypt and Algeria and Sudan --- other very Muslim-populous countries. And many (about 30) others. (See below.)

Trump's exact tweet was:

   Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril.
   If something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!

    - Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 5, 2017

Here is a list of the seven countries that Trump proposed to temporarily ban --- and he plans to eventually 'vet them extremely'.

  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Libya
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Syria
  • Yemen

In contrast, here is a list of the Muslim-majority countries --- in order by percent of the population that is Muslim (those with percent higher than 50) --- and with total Muslim population shown:

   Muslim-majority           Percent           Muslim
    Country                   Muslim        Population
   ----------------------   ----------   -------------
   Mauritania                100%          4.1 million
   Maldives                  100%              309,000
   Afghanistan                99.8%       29.0 million
   Tunisia                    99.8%       11.1 million
   Iran                       99.7%       74.8 million
   Western Sahara             99.6%            528,000
   Morocco                    99%         32.3 million
   Yemen                      99.0%       24.0 million
   Tajikistan                 99.0%        7.0 million
   Somalia                    98.9%        9.2 million
   Iraq                       98.9%       31.1 million
   Mayotte                    98.8%            197,000
   Turkey                     98.6%       74.6 million
   Azerbaijan                 98.4%        8.7 million
   Niger                      98.3%       19.5 million
   Comoros                    98.3%            785,000
   Algeria                    98.2%-plus  40.4 million
   Palestinian Territories    97.5%        4.3 million
   Saudi Arabia               97.1%       25.4 million
   Sudan                      97.0%       39.0 million
   Djibouti                   97%              853,000
   Libya                      96.6%        6.3 million
   Uzbekistan                 96.5%       26.8 million
   Pakistan                   96.4%      178.0 million
   Senegal                    95.9%       14.5 million
   Kosovo                     95.6%        1.5 million
   Gambia                     95.3%        1.6 million
   Mali                       95%         15.6 million
   Jordan                     93.8%        6.3 million
   Turkmenistan               93.3%        4.8 million
   Syria                      90%         20.8 million
   Egypt                      90%         73.8 million
   Kyrghystan                 88.8%        4.9 million
   Oman                       87.7%        2.5 million
   Indonesia                  87.2%      204.8 million
   Bangladesh                 86.3%        8.8 million
   Guinea                     84.2%        8.6 million
   Qatar                      77.5%        1.1 million
   United Arab Emirates       76.0%        3.5 million 
   Kuwait                     74.1%        2.6 million
   Sierra Leone               71.5%        4.1 million
   Kazakhstan                 70.2%        8.8 million
   Bahrain                    70.2%            866,000
   Cocos (Keeling) Islands    80%      less than 1,000
   Brunei                     67%              295,000
   Malaysia                   61.4%       17.1 million
   Burkina Faso               60.5%       11.2 million
   Lebanon                    59.7%        2.5 million
   Albania                    58.8%        1.8 million
   Chad                       58%          7.8 million
   Bosnia-Herzegovina         50.7%        1.7 million
   Guinea Bissau              50%              705,000
   Nigeria                   ~50%         93.8 million

If anyone wants to concentrate on the most Muslim-numerous countries rather than those with the highest Muslim-percentage, here is a sort of the above table by Muslim population:

   Muslim-majority           Percent           Muslim
    Country                   Muslim        Population
   ----------------------   ----------   -------------

   Indonesia                  87.2%      204.8 million
   Pakistan                   96.4%      178.0 million
   Nigeria                   ~50%         93.8 million
  *Iran                       99.7%       74.8 million
   Turkey                     98.6%       74.6 million
   Egypt                      90%         73.8 million
   Algeria                    98.2%-plus  40.4 million
  *Sudan                      97.0%       39.0 million
   Morocco                    99%         32.3 million
  *Iraq                       98.9%       31.1 million
   Afghanistan                99.8%       29.0 million
   Uzbekistan                 96.5%       26.8 million
   Saudi Arabia               97.1%       25.4 million
  *Yemen                      99.0%       24.0 million
  *Syria                      90%         20.8 million
   Niger                      98.3%       19.5 million
   Malaysia                   61.4%       17.1 million
   Mali                       95%         15.6 million
   Senegal                    95.9%       14.5 million
   Burkina Faso               60.5%       11.2 million
   Tunisia                    99.8%       11.1 million
  *Somalia                    98.9%        9.2 million
   Bangladesh                 86.3%        8.8 million
   Kazakhstan                 70.2%        8.8 million
   Azerbaijan                 98.4%        8.7 million
   Guinea                     84.2%        8.6 million
   Chad                       58%          7.8 million
   Tajikistan                 99.0%        7.0 million
  *Libya                      96.6%        6.3 million
   Jordan                     93.8%        6.3 million
   Kyrghystan                 88.8%        4.9 million
   Turkmenistan               93.3%        4.8 million
   Palestinian Territories    97.5%        4.3 million
   Mauritania                100%          4.1 million
   Sierra Leone               71.5%        4.1 million
   United Arab Emirates       76.0%        3.5 million
   Kuwait                     74.1%        2.6 million
   Oman                       87.7%        2.5 million
   Lebanon                    59.7%        2.5 million
   Albania                    58.8%        1.8 million
   Bosnia-Herzegovina         50.7%        1.7 million
   Gambia                     95.3%        1.6 million
   Kosovo                     95.6%        1.5 million
   Qatar                      77.5%        1.1 million
   Bahrain                    70.2%            866,000
   Djibouti                   97%              853,000
   Comoros                    98.3%            785,000
   Guinea Bissau              50%              705,000
   Western Sahara             99.6%            528,000
   Maldives                  100%              309,000
   Brunei                     67%              295,000
   Mayotte                    98.8%            197,000
   Cocos (Keeling) Islands    80%      less than 1,000

I have marked the 7-countries with an asterisk. Their total population adds up to less than that of Indonesia --- their total is about the same as the population of Pakistan.

Note that neither Indonesia nor Pakistan is on the 'list of seven'.

    If you want a table sorted in some other way (for example by Muslim percent of world population or Muslim percent of world Muslim population), I will leave that to someone else to compile. I think these two tables should do for most considerations of the 'U.S. more-thorough vetting' matter.

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Note that a quick glance over these tables indicates that Trump's 'list of seven' is dreadfully inadequate to properly protect the country.

That 'list of seven' leaves a hole (figuratively) big enough to drive an explosives-laden truck through.

Trump and his crew are proudly proclaiming that he is doing what he promised --- banning and extreme vetting of Muslims. BUT it is all 'political posturing'. There are too many exceptions to his rules. The United States would be on the order of ten percent safer (or less) with the 7-country ban. (Compare 'the seven' to the total of 1.7 billion Muslims on Earth.)

Most of the people who voted for Trump will probably fall for his claims. But anyone who looks at these lists --- compared to his 'list of seven' --- can see that his boasts are empty.

Trump is perpetrating a 'political scam' --- like the one in which he promised West Virginians that he will restore their coal mining jobs. (More on that 'scam' in another blog post.)


More on the Muslim countries missing from Trump's ban:

A 29 Jan 2017 article at FoxNews.com points out that

   "White House counselor Kellyanne Conway on Sunday defended President Trump's
    order to temporarily ban immigration from seven mostly-Muslim nations -- and
    deflected criticism over countries like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan not being
    included in the ban."

and

   "In the wide-ranging interview 10 days into the Trump administration, Conway
    also attempted to explain why such countries as Afghanistan, Egypt, Pakistan
    and Saudi Arabia were not included in the ban."

Her explanation (again quoting the FoxNews article):

    "She said Trump is privy to intelligence reports that critics and others
     have not seen and suggested the list could change."

Those must be some really poor intelligence reports.

Note that some of the Muslim countries, that have been 'given a pass' in Trump's executive orders, have been guilty lately of some atrocious acts of violence against non-Muslims.

  1. Assasination of a 'secular' (atheist) blogger in Bangladesh --- which was soon followed by assasination of Christians and other non-Muslims.

    Why isn't Bangladesh on the list?

  2. Atrocities (on-going) by Boko Haram in Nigeria.

    Why isn't Nigeria on the list?

  3. Atrocities (on-going) by Muslims in Mali that required French army intervention for some relief. Muslim groups were imposing strict Sharia law in captured areas.

    Why isn't Mali on the list?

Kellyanne Conway does a lot of the fancy dancing around the issues that Trump raises --- and you can bet that her answers to the above 'why not on the list' questions would just result in more fancy verbal-dancing around.


Trump's business connections in Muslim countries

It has been pretty public knowledge that Trump has business connections in quite a few Muslim countries (Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia) --- countries that he has left off of his 'list of 'seven'.

I will simply provide some web searches. You can find cases of the connections yourself.

One example business connection is that a Malaysian businessman is a partner with Trump in a hotel in Vancouver, Canada, that was opening in Feb 2017. According to a 2017 Feb 15 story in the Financial Times (www.ft.com) :

   Joo Kim Tiah, the son of one of Malaysia's wealthiest tycoons,
   sat on stage in the summer of 2013 as his new business partner
   [Trump] announced their plans for a C$360m luxury condominium-hotel
   project on Vancouver's most prestigious downtown thoroughfare.

If Trump is going to let business deals put huge 'holes' in his 'extreme vetting', then HE is endangering the country --- NOT the court system of the U.S.


Conclusion

I guess it looks like I am 'urging Trump on' --- to do 'extreme vetting' of even more people.

No ... I am not ... although I AM concerned about people who do not believe in the 'Freedom of Religion' section of the U.S. Constitution. I do not believe people who want a theocracy (Muslim or otherwise) should be allowed to be citizens (or residents) of this country. They could not possibly be expected to 'swear to uphold the Constitution'.

I am for 'reasonable vetting' --- and 'improved vetting' if needed. However, I have multiple concerns including:

  • increased costs (esp. in a tax-reduction environment)
  • heavy-handed implementation
  • abuses (by enforcers)

When you look at the list of about 50 Muslim-majority countries above, one comes to the realization that trying to do 'very thorough vetting' of ALL travelers into the U.S. from those countries is going to be a very expensive process. A lot of extra manpower and facilities will be required.

    And there are still more countries --- Muslim-minority countries --- with significant Muslim populations, from which terrorists could come.

And yet Trump is calling for draconian tax cuts. And a build-up of the military. And making more nuclear weapons. Are we going to have another 'go to war while cutting taxes' scenario --- like in the Bush years?

Is that combination really going to make America stronger and greater, in the long run? --- or even in the short run?

Sad to say, there needs to be a cost-benefit analysis of any new 'improved vetting' process. Compromises must be made. I don't think Trump has the patience for that.

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When you consider the Obama years (2008 - 2016), in which there were relatively few Muslim attacks within the U.S., and when you consider all the Muslim countries and all the travelers of various kinds coming from those countries, it seems that the various U.S. departments and agencies (Homeland Security, Immigration, local police, etc.) have done a surprisingly good job.

It seems that Trump's disruptive implementation(s) of his 'Muslim ban' executive order(s) is going too much in the direction of 'assume everyone is guilty until they are proven innocent' --- and treat them like they are guilty --- 'from the git go'.

Trump is treating thousands of travelers like crap in order to find a few bad apples. There has to be a better way --- a more respectful way --- a way that is, at the same time, an effective way.

There needs to be a careful implementation of 'improved vetting' --- of travelers and potential immigrants.

There probably can be some improvements in vetting of travelers from Muslim countries --- better techniques, better procedures, more consistent application of procedures.

HOWEVER, those improvements should be done with careful consideration and careful planning. There was no sign of that in Trump's first months in office.

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Another of my concerns is that there are likely to be many instances of 'unnecessary roughness' --- and even brutality --- directed toward some of the detained travelers --- because, just as there police departments throughout the U.S. that are populated with police that should not be police, there are people in the immigration and homeland security ranks who should not be in positions that require considerable self-control and civilized responses in some tough situations.

There needs to be

  • good selection, and
  • good training, and
  • good, continuing communication of reasonable policies and procedures

in assembling the people who will be implementing an 'improved vetting' process.

And there needs to be a clear message to those people who are 'processing' travelers and immigrants --- that abuses of non-violent travelers is not to be tolerated.

People (federal government workers or other workers) who abuse (bully) travelers for no good reason should be terminated quickly.

Failure to do so can lead to a scary police state in which no one is safe.

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In a few words:

Trump ... 'vet' ALL (Muslim) travelers, from ALL countries, equally. There should be NO exceptions for countries in which you have potential business projects.


Does this pilot sound like a mature adult? Or a petulant baby?
Can this man be trusted to (almost unilaterally) devise a new immigrant policy?

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